[Aug 15, 10:52]Terry I don't necessarily have a problem with Intelligent Design. I don't agree with it 100%, but I'm not out disprove it, either.
However, I do agree it does not belong in schools.
[Aug 15, 10:56]Luke [e-mail] I think it's a bunch of bull, but that isn't the point. ID proponents are trying to pass off something based in religion as science. I see no problems with it in a philosophy or history class, but it simply doesn't belong in a science class.
[Aug 15, 15:34]Moneypenny I fucking love spaghetti, so a Deity composed of such appeals to me on both spiritual and appeitite levels.
[Aug 15, 15:35]Moneypenny Holy shit I massacred this word. Sorry.
[Aug 15, 21:09]Dob I'm not sure whether Mr. Henderson's inclusion of "how the universe was created" is spoofing the ID proponents or is making the same error they are making -- specifically, confusing/combining the debate over teaching evolution vs ID and the general debate of theism vs atheism/agnosticism.
Although he claims to have "no problem with religion" and even claims that the teaching of creationism in class (let me guess -- Stupid Beliefs 101) is "fine," it's clear that he has contempt for religion, especially Christianity. If he was merely spoofing the concept of ID, I don't think he'd be selling a mug that "pisses off Jesus." It seems to me that he is lumping together Christians that believe "God created the universe" with Christians that don't believe in the evolution of man.
The question of whether the origin of the universe was natural or supernatural is immaterial to evolution, and it certainly has nothing to do with what should be taught in biology class. Many scientists do believe in both the existence of God and the validity of evolution, and do not see the two as mutually exclusive.
[Aug 16, 08:13]Terry Agreed. ID certainly doesn't belong in biology class or any other science class, especially in a public school. The only place for it would be in a history, philosophy, or religion class, which is much easier to pull of in a private school or at the collegiate level.
I don't think it should even be taught in a science or biology class in a private school. Throw all the "science" into it as you can, there's still no way it follows the scientific method. On the other hand, in a parochial school they could say something to the effect, "Not everyone accepts the theory of evolution. Some believe in creationism or intelligent design. Here's a reading list. You're on your own."
[Aug 15, 10:52] Terry
I don't necessarily have a problem with Intelligent Design. I don't agree with it 100%, but I'm not out disprove it, either.
However, I do agree it does not belong in schools.
[Aug 15, 10:56] Luke [e-mail]
I think it's a bunch of bull, but that isn't the point. ID proponents are trying to pass off something based in religion as science. I see no problems with it in a philosophy or history class, but it simply doesn't belong in a science class.
[Aug 15, 15:34] Moneypenny
I fucking love spaghetti, so a Deity composed of such appeals to me on both spiritual and appeitite levels.
[Aug 15, 15:35] Moneypenny
Holy shit I massacred this word. Sorry.
[Aug 15, 21:09] Dob
I'm not sure whether Mr. Henderson's inclusion of "how the universe was created" is spoofing the ID proponents or is making the same error they are making -- specifically, confusing/combining the debate over teaching evolution vs ID and the general debate of theism vs atheism/agnosticism.
Although he claims to have "no problem with religion" and even claims that the teaching of creationism in class (let me guess -- Stupid Beliefs 101) is "fine," it's clear that he has contempt for religion, especially Christianity. If he was merely spoofing the concept of ID, I don't think he'd be selling a mug that "pisses off Jesus." It seems to me that he is lumping together Christians that believe "God created the universe" with Christians that don't believe in the evolution of man.
The question of whether the origin of the universe was natural or supernatural is immaterial to evolution, and it certainly has nothing to do with what should be taught in biology class. Many scientists do believe in both the existence of God and the validity of evolution, and do not see the two as mutually exclusive.
[Aug 16, 08:13] Terry
Agreed. ID certainly doesn't belong in biology class or any other science class, especially in a public school. The only place for it would be in a history, philosophy, or religion class, which is much easier to pull of in a private school or at the collegiate level.
I don't think it should even be taught in a science or biology class in a private school. Throw all the "science" into it as you can, there's still no way it follows the scientific method. On the other hand, in a parochial school they could say something to the effect, "Not everyone accepts the theory of evolution. Some believe in creationism or intelligent design. Here's a reading list. You're on your own."